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PostSubject: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:38

Post by Bushiroad today:
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On 10th December 2012, it was announced for the Japanese version of Cardfight!! Vanguard that the following restriction on cards will take place:

**As the situation is different for the Japanese and English versions, there are currently no plans to implement the following restriction for the English version of Cardfight!! Vanguard at all!**

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With effect from the 1st of January 2013, for the Japanese version of Cardfight!! Vanguard, the cards highlighted in the following list will be restricted to up to a total of two cards in the deck (including the first vanguard).

<Royal Paladin>
King of Knights, Alfred
Majesty Lord Blaster
Wingal Brave

<Kagero>
Lizard Soldier, Conroe
Dragonic Overlord the End

<Oracle Think Tank>
Silent Tom
Godhawk, Ichibyoshi
Goddess of the Full Moon, Tsukuyomi

*This includes all cards of the same name with different rarities.

[Example]
OK: King of Knights, Alfred x 2
OK: Majesty Lord Blaster x 1, Wingal Brave x 1
- Total of 2 in a deck, so it’s fine.

Not OK: Majesty Lord Blaster x 2, Wingal Brave x 1
Not OK: Dragonic Overlord the End x 2, Lizard Soldier, Conroe x 1

Link to official post: https://www.facebook.com/CardfightVanguard/posts/399718420103984

They FINALLY decided to fix the bullshit imbalance of these cards. Also I find this to be an interesting way of restricting cards. Similar to Sentinel, you can have no more than 2 of the listed groups in your deck, rather than no more of 2 of each card. Very interesting, so if you want to use The End's persona at all, you have to actually not use Conroe.

Now let's see if they really do fix shit in English (errata, or this restriction or whatever)

I'm happy. And look at all the SALT in the comments. Dear god people are acting like spoiled children holy shit. WAAAAH I can't use my broken powercards anymore!
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:41

As mentioned in the IRC, I can't properly form an opinion. The steps they took are bizarre, and don't address the entire problem.

Also the salt is worth the read. 254 posts of ERMAGHERD CANT USE JI ENDO :C
complete with gratuitous Singlish.

Bushi seems to be the Apple of the TCG world. They fix their errors incrementally.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:43

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Restricting Godhawk was a little bit rough though but ah well.

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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:53

FUCK YES!

Does that mean if they reprint these, they have to come with some sort of restriction related to their clan such as for Royal Paladin:

'Visionary' (You can't have more than 2 cards with 'Visionary' in your Deck)
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:58

Its ok.

RP gets a new Alfred by the end of January.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 07:59

Actually, PBO probably just came.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:06

I disagree with the OTT restriction. No Godhawk and it should be any 4 of them, not any 2.

They can keep Peanut Butter Oranges until SP get something more usable. Thankfully even with PBO, most people don't play SP just for the crossride.


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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:08

Will V-Mundi follow this format then? Except with more leeway with decks that aren't Crossrides such as Barcgal was?
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:09

We'll have to see.

By the way, if we do, we most certainly will not follow the Oracles part. That's bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:30

Why hurt Tsukuyomi

Why hurt Alfred

Why hurt fucking Wingal Brave

Why limit a Persona Blast unit to 2, 1 if you use the optimal first vanguard. Just ban The End instead of this sidestepping bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:34

Alfred makes sense. You now have to choose either MLB or Alfred. No more teching him in to the broken build as another option.

WHY LIMIT BROKEN BULLSHIT PERSONA BLAST OF THE END TO 2? GEE, I WONDER.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:40

Sorts out Ji Endo and MLB, but now you have the other crossrides fucking shit up. Admittedly 7 decks in a tournament as opposed to 3 is an improvement but all the same.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 08:41

Oh god the salt and butthurt is so palpable. People even blaming this community for it (you're welcome, you ungrateful shitbags)
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 09:09

My facebook reply

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I'll level with the people complaining about this; You have two choices 1) Bushiroad let these three particular decks possibly (and from what we've seen probably) ROFLStomping everything else in their path that isn't the other two listed essentially invalidating every other deck in existence OR 2) You let these 3 particular decks die and fade into the blackness while allowing every other deck (far more than three) including other KG, RP, OTT variants that exist (many of other viable choices exist). Even if it is an evil, it is a necessary lesser evil.

Bushiroad are not and most likely will never act in a similar way to Konami. Konami creates the F/L list in order to sell us the same cards with different names every 6 months without solving or dealing with any major problems the card design has. Doesn't anyone here ever get tired of having to spend $200 on an Extra Deck just to compete regardless of your deck's theme?

I won't deny that there is likely a marketing intent by Bushiroad behind this decision but I (and hopefully many others) will be well comforted by the fact that they are doing so while trying to at best improve the games integrity, at worst keeping it. Bushiroad seems like they will never knowingly create something in order for it to be a problem and if they ever do the mistake will eventually be realized and handled with, as in this case for example.

While I may not agree with every decision on the list, (I'm slightly perplexed at Oracle Think Tanks limitation), I fully support the intent behind it and welcome this as Bushiroad being dedicated enough to us players to give a varied and open playing field for a fuller and richer experience of playing Cardfight!! Vanguard, not ROFLStomp X ROFLStomp.

In conclusion, Thank you Bushiroad.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 09:12

inb4 flamehate
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 09:32

That Kitsune Blue guy on Pojo is fucking hilarious.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 09:37

I can live with most restrictions, but the oracle one is bs... And well... If I want to make a Alfred-Centered deck...
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:07

zawarudo wrote:
That Kitsune Blue guy on Pojo is fucking hilarious.
I love how you're just raping all the butthurt pojotards with sensible and calm replies.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:17

Oh yes. OOOH YES. Love it. Thanks Bushiroad, now I've recovered hope. Will we see some restriction about PEzel or Glory Maelstrom in the future? lol.

I don't understand the Tsukuyomi thing. I mean, if you want all the ride chain, you can use only 1 Full Moon.

And they should restrict Alfred + MLB, not Alfred u.u
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:26

Thing with just one fulll moon (and no Toms can be run if you do this) it can quite easily get stuck in the stack though, unless I'm proven mathematically wrong
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:30

Some of it is certainly confusing to me. But I'll wait and see how it affects their meta.

Be cool to see some other decks bouncing around.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:31

Epideme wrote:

Why hurt fucking Wingal Brave

Why limit a Persona Blast unit to 2, 1 if you use the optimal first vanguard. Just ban The End instead of this sidestepping bullshit.

It's not hurting WIngal Brave, since you can use one copy of a first Vanguard and basically be dandy- it's a hit on Majesty Lord Blaster and Alfred, since now if you want to use either of those at more than one copy, you have to fall back on Durangal or something.

I'm iffy as well on this one. I actually approve of basically this whole list, but you can tell Bushi's making the move pretty much with money on the line, not because they're actually all that concerned about the state of the meta. Japan's probably going to jump back to a four-to-eight dominant deck environment almost immediately.

On the other hand, The END is virtually unplayable now and aggro non-cross decks which aren't Alfred might have an opportunity to shine depending on what the gold Alfred we saw in the Link Joker PV actually is, so huzzah?
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 10:56

Royal Paladin Restrictions were handled perfectly. MLB is still usable and searchable, but not as broken or consistent.
Kagero looks good, but unless they get a new starter, then you would either have to make a DOTE/AMBER build or cry over Undeux
OTT didn't need this. I understand Silent Tom being on there, but now the only usable builds are Goddess of the Sun and Soulless Coco.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 11:11

You know if you stop and think about it, OTT isn't even hurt by this. CEO and the ride chain (minus Full Moon entirely) is enough to make the deck RETARDED. 1 Tom in it isn't amazing, but I've played that deck a hundred times now and it's very rare I ever ride Full Moon to even use that skill, raw advantage or not. CEO can loop the stack hard and Half Moon can be sat on for extra turns to loop it too. Plus CEO still has retardedly high trigger chance with divination. The only issue I see there is Tom. Which isn't the only thing the deck has.

As for Kagero, it goes without saying they needed The End gone so other builds could be played. Those builds are really good and needed to stop being eclipsed.

Alfred/MLB/Wingal: Goes to show MLB needed it. It was basically the only usable fucking thing in RP except antimeta Alfred. And thankfully you can't play them at the same time now which doubles your options. MLB is basically dead and Alfred can now be run normally in RP at 2 copies, which is about where he belongs anyway. Lohengrin, Galahad, SSD, Palamedes, and a bunch other cards still exist.

@Scarlet Weather, I've heard several people now claim this is a money play, but none of them can substantiate this claim. Care to shed some light on the claim that this somehow makes them money? Doctor O himself stated this was based entirely on the winning tops of the Championship. Unless you're calling him a liar. The meta's been stale for a YEAR now. Since February of 2012, the meta has been MLB, Ji Endo, and Tsukuyomi all the way. With some occasional Scarlet Witch after Set 7 and sparse Alfred anti-meta to try and counter crosses.
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PostSubject: Re: CROSSRIDE RESTRICTIONS: OFFICIAL   2012-12-10, 11:13

I'm just watching people all over different sites raging over this, when some of the most vocal pissed of players play a casual or English meta. I've tried actually telling them:
1) This only affects the Japanese meta, as much as I don't like how OTT was screwed over, and how pure Alfred builds are now a bit skewered.
2) If a restriction list follows into the English meta, it will most likely change a bit, since Tsuku isn't as popular here as it was in Japan, the crossrides will most likely suffer, there IS a reason PBO isn't on this list.
If this DOES follow into English, it will most llikely drop Tsuku, and add in those annoying Golds e.e
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