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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-12, 14:39

I know just Im trying to stay away from the mechanic of Break Rides and such, but I mean if I must. :P I still don't know yet, its coming out in Japanese this month(I think) and who knows when we get it.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-12, 23:09

Christ that Genesis card gets so much for free.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-12, 23:21

Alice wrote:
Christ that Genesis card gets so much for free.
Which one?
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-12, 23:47

The break ride. All other break rides fail to get anything useful in mid-game, which was the only reason I was okay with Vowing (until the broken ass ones appeared). But she doesn't even limit herself to being good late game. Though it might still slow Genesis down a notch. Still, I'm weary of all these Break Rides.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-15, 04:23

Why Bushiroad hate Royals... er Jewel Knights?

12 cards total with a Swarm theme. No vanillas. No Vanguard Booster beyond Rushgal. No Royals in Set 11. It's actually even less playable than Battle Sister Fromage.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-15, 06:52

They might feel due to it's level of consistency that Jewel Knights don't need as many cards for their archetype as others.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-15, 07:25

So, what, did they feel that Eradicators and Liberators weren't consistent enough for them? They've got two Critical Triggers for their Archtype EACH.

Jewel Knights getting the short straw makes no fucking sense.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-15, 12:55

I'm starting to think Ashley wasn't made for the jewel knights so much as royal paladins as a whole.
Here's a combo to explain:
Ride Ashley with 3 in soul
Use Pongals or Margals effects to put yourself at ample soul for the SSD you just searched out.
Ride SSD then hit for 4 stages with Medes columns, 6 stages plus 1 crit with SSD not even counting twin drive. With only 8k boosters for the back row, which by the way you can search for because of my favorites Garmore and Akane.

This also makes Pendragon THE hype card if you ride him over Ashley and then go into SSD or Alfred.
They don't have the worst break ride if you look at what they deck does by itself. Royals are just more complicated to play than golds or spikes. But once you get the optimal field and break ride, the game is over. Period.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-15, 13:27

As much as I hate the new shit, Ashley has to be my new avatar because of how closely she resembles Brynhildr. With a goddamn lightsaber.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 13:31

Lich_Lord_Fortissimo wrote:
So, what, did they feel that Eradicators and Liberators weren't consistent enough for them? They've got two Critical Triggers for their Archtype EACH.

Jewel Knights getting the short straw makes no fucking sense.
One set was from the TD, the other in booster. Kinda normal IMO. Most builds dont get 2 crit off the bat unless there was a TD released before hand or previous support. Releasing 2 kinds of crit in one booster is just awkward. Besides, Jewel Knight build has Sybill which doesnt require Especial Counter Blast. I dont see the harm in using older triggers cos of this.

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This also makes Pendragon THE hype card if you ride him over Ashley and then go into SSD or Alfred.
They don't have the worst break ride if you look at what they deck does by itself. Royals are just more complicated to play than golds or spikes. But once you get the optimal field and break ride, the game is over. Period.

Pedragon Support does not lie with Ashlie. More to this guy instead
http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_of_Explosive_Axe,_Goruneman

Would be pointless to over ride Pendragon using his LB skill after you over ride Ashley. You'll just lose the +10K and crit if the ride was successful.

Id rather run a Pendragon/SSD with the guy I just mentioned.

Some Gamer Dude wrote:
Why Bushiroad hate Royals... er Jewel Knights?

12 cards total with a Swarm theme. No vanillas. No Vanguard Booster beyond Rushgal. No Royals in Set 11. It's actually even less playable than Battle Sister Fromage.
Because of Toypoogal. Him alone makes the deck not really needing a specialised booster since he just fits anywhere as long as the condition fits. Its not that hard getting another G3 out with Salome at the VG circle since her skill doesnt have any Grade restriction. Perfect for calling out Ashley.

IMO, my overall opion on RP is that, about time RP gets a static 11K.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 14:04

@Tryston, You don't get to transfer the +10k and +1 crit to the new ridden unit on Pendragon. So no, it does nothing special. "Choose one of your vanguard" means you can only choose Pendragon because it's still the Ride Phase, and Pendragon activates in the Main Phase.

Also I completely disagree that RP needs a static 11k. The point of Royals was to have the strength in numbers, advantage and consistency along with lots of selection. ONE downside was supposed to be 20k abuse. But now they don't even have that.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 14:08

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@Tryston, You don't get to transfer the +10k and +1 crit to the new ridden unit on Pendragon. So no, it does nothing special. "Choose one of your vanguard" means you can only choose Pendragon because it's still the Ride Phase, and Pendragon activates in the Main Phase.

Also I completely disagree that RP needs a static 11k. The point of Royals was to have the strength in numbers, advantage and consistency along with lots of selection. ONE downside was supposed to be 20k abuse. But now they don't even have that.
Awww fuck. I spent so much time figuring out all that shit too...Poor royals...
At least they do have the worst break ride.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 14:10

I dont see how its bad when they already have ssd......
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 14:20

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I dont see how its bad when they already have ssd......
If you don't ride ssd then it is.
Royals as i said before take a shit ton of set-up. Once they get their way its game over.
Besides, just attack the rgs just like we do now and they don't have shit.
Golds can just top deck their entire field.
Spikes can just fucking rape.
Novas can just rape.
Narukami can use their break ride for defensive or offensive purposes(which ends up being defensive in the end. love fucking options).
Genesis gives itself the much needed advantage.
Ashley simply doesn't compare, but it's better this way.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 14:55

With exception to naru almost all other break rides are directly dependant on their own respective fields. This applies heavily on Genesis and GP.

Its true spikes and nova rapes but again, they re heavy dependant on current available resources. If you dont have the field or hand card effects cant be used to its full potential.

No matter how I see it RP break ride should be one of the better ones since its so independant as compared to the rest.

And please, set up? You have 7 freaking units which have call capability and you tell me its setup is a problem? All of them work on the rg circle with exception to salome.

Also for ssd there is pongal. If you played 3 ssd and 3 pongals thats 6 virtual ssd. Dont you dare say anything about the counter blasts. The only one which actually eats up the most is alfred. If you leave him out and instead opt in for the starcall, akane or gigantech option counter blasts wont be an issue.

Also with margal, pongal, claudia, tiffany, wingal brave, sharon and who knows what else dont you dare say there will be a soul issue


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The only reason why it seems that people think she s not up to par with the rest is cos people just think that they ll perfect that 1 crit when it comes.

Thats just a best case scenario for the opponent. But another way to see it is that its the only card I know which actually has any real potential to game turn if the opponent actually doesnt have any perfects at hand.

I understand that its really subjective here but we really shouldnt just slam her down. Not when she is the only one with the potential to actually turn the favour to your side on a really bad scenario. Eg; no rear guards and such.

My comparison of her to gancelot is just the fact that ssd is available. The two are heavily compared and if you do add in ssd in the equation on similar fields, the difference between the two woukd be that one extra crit. How can that not be good?
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 15:23

Firstly i never said set-up would be a problem. Lets not forget that their worst match-up is coming back in set 11, so they'll be force to use counterblasts wisely, forced into using their hands for calls which gold aren't, and be forced to ultimately try to fight back even harder.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 15:31

If its not a problem, I dont see how it is "shit ton" then. Not with with all the superior calling.


Imo, whatever will be out in bt11 wrecks any field not just royals.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 16:46

Pcyborg wrote:
If its not a problem, I dont see how it is "shit ton" then. Not with with all the superior calling.


Imo, whatever will be out in bt11 wrecks any field not just royals.
Agreed sir. Royals and golds may be the only ones to stand a chance. :P
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 17:19

haha oh wow. Ashley is the worst break ride by far.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-17, 20:51

Actually I think people believe she's lame because MLB does the same job but for more turns, with a better defense, and with higher probability.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-18, 12:04

Lets be honest, there is no such thing as a "bad break ride".

I think one of the problems with Ashley is that being a break ride and therefore in the late game, suggests that your Opponent is also in late game and is guarding the Vanguard 2-Pass regardless would mean that the critical isn't doing anything itself when the threat of Twin Drive exists (especially in a deck that is most likely running 12 Critical).

Ashley for the majority of the time may as well be a vanilla break ride with the +10000. I believe her main purpose is to be a stupidly large unit that Salome can call.

In saying that, I'd still consider Ashley good and I will accept there are times where the critical does matter, just probably not often.


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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-18, 16:37

I think everyone is missing the larger issue which is FREE EFFECTS OF PBD
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-18, 16:41

Alice wrote:
I think everyone is missing the larger issue which is FREE EFFECTS OF PBD

Maybe so. Regardless, I thought we were just comparing Break Rides, Ashley is indeed on the lower end of the tier.
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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-18, 17:04

Well, at least the Dimension Police aren't getting a Break Ride. We all know how THAT would turn out:

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PostSubject: Re: BT-10 Triumphant Return of the King of Knights   2013-02-18, 17:07

LOLRel!
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